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		<title>By: Paul Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, thanks for the advice and encouragement!  I&#039;m starting to get a better handle on some of these things - thanks to Jim and some other bloggers.  It&#039;s good to hear I must be doing something right - even if it&#039;s just because I&#039;m realizing what I&#039;ve been doing wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, thanks for the advice and encouragement!  I&#8217;m starting to get a better handle on some of these things &#8211; thanks to Jim and some other bloggers.  It&#8217;s good to hear I must be doing something right &#8211; even if it&#8217;s just because I&#8217;m realizing what I&#8217;ve been doing wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred @ One Project Closer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred @ One Project Closer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 02:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late getting back to this stream.

@Peter - No prob - I like the way your site has evolved over the last 2 years, particularly the updated theme... not sure when you implemented it but I definitely like it (especially the green - gives with the money theme and all)...

@Paul - &quot;I&#039;m beginning to wonder if I&#039;ve already messed up too much.&quot;  --- LOL!!  

You MUST be a blogger if you&#039;re thinking that. We&#039;ve all been there.  &quot;Man, I should&#039;ve...&quot; or &quot;I&#039;ll never be as big as .... &quot; or &quot;Advertisers will never want me because...&quot;

Yada yada yada ... 

Lesson #1: You will screw up constantly.  It&#039;s an opportunity to learn.  I got a portion of our site banned from Google from using too many affiliate links in posts.  Lesson learned.  I got very frustrated for about 4 weeks - wanted to throw in the towel.  Now, 11 months later, the site makes more than double what it did before that time.

Lesson #2: If you aren&#039;t screwing up, you&#039;re doing something wrong. You&#039;re not pushing the limits enough.  Jim has a great article on this:

http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/get-towed-twice-a-year.html

If your blog isn&#039;t &quot;getting towed&quot; twice a year - or heck, four times a year, you probably aren&#039;t trying enough things.

Lesson #3: Learn from others. Watch what the big bloggers do.  Emulate them.  There&#039;s a reason they are the &quot;big bloggers&quot; - it&#039;s because they know things.  In my opinion, it&#039;s better to avoid reading the &quot;make money online&quot; sites - there&#039;s too much static.  Not all the advice is bad, but its hard to weed out the good from the bad.  Instead, watch what other bloggers do.  I&#039;ve been watching Jim for 2 years on Bargaineering.  I take the concepts he implements in PF and apply them to Home Improvement.

Seriously... Keep your chin up.  There&#039;s a lot of money to be made online, and it grows every year.  You&#039;ll get your slice if you&#039;re persistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late getting back to this stream.</p>
<p>@Peter &#8211; No prob &#8211; I like the way your site has evolved over the last 2 years, particularly the updated theme&#8230; not sure when you implemented it but I definitely like it (especially the green &#8211; gives with the money theme and all)&#8230;</p>
<p>@Paul &#8211; &#8220;I&#8217;m beginning to wonder if I&#8217;ve already messed up too much.&#8221;  &#8212; LOL!!  </p>
<p>You MUST be a blogger if you&#8217;re thinking that. We&#8217;ve all been there.  &#8220;Man, I should&#8217;ve&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;ll never be as big as &#8230;. &#8221; or &#8220;Advertisers will never want me because&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yada yada yada &#8230; </p>
<p>Lesson #1: You will screw up constantly.  It&#8217;s an opportunity to learn.  I got a portion of our site banned from Google from using too many affiliate links in posts.  Lesson learned.  I got very frustrated for about 4 weeks &#8211; wanted to throw in the towel.  Now, 11 months later, the site makes more than double what it did before that time.</p>
<p>Lesson #2: If you aren&#8217;t screwing up, you&#8217;re doing something wrong. You&#8217;re not pushing the limits enough.  Jim has a great article on this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/get-towed-twice-a-year.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bargaineering.com/articles/get-towed-twice-a-year.html</a></p>
<p>If your blog isn&#8217;t &#8220;getting towed&#8221; twice a year &#8211; or heck, four times a year, you probably aren&#8217;t trying enough things.</p>
<p>Lesson #3: Learn from others. Watch what the big bloggers do.  Emulate them.  There&#8217;s a reason they are the &#8220;big bloggers&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s because they know things.  In my opinion, it&#8217;s better to avoid reading the &#8220;make money online&#8221; sites &#8211; there&#8217;s too much static.  Not all the advice is bad, but its hard to weed out the good from the bad.  Instead, watch what other bloggers do.  I&#8217;ve been watching Jim for 2 years on Bargaineering.  I take the concepts he implements in PF and apply them to Home Improvement.</p>
<p>Seriously&#8230; Keep your chin up.  There&#8217;s a lot of money to be made online, and it grows every year.  You&#8217;ll get your slice if you&#8217;re persistent.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t worry about the theme so much, just keep networking, writing, and you&#039;ll be rewarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry about the theme so much, just keep networking, writing, and you&#8217;ll be rewarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found contact info for three of the advertisers that denied my application, but I can&#039;t for the others.

After reading Peter&#039;s article today about starting a blog and some other people&#039;s advice, I&#039;m beginning to wonder if I&#039;ve already messed up too much.  I&#039;m not even sure if my theme is halfway decent.  It&#039;s a free one that I tweaked myself, but sometimes I feel like it looks outdated compared to most websites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found contact info for three of the advertisers that denied my application, but I can&#8217;t for the others.</p>
<p>After reading Peter&#8217;s article today about starting a blog and some other people&#8217;s advice, I&#8217;m beginning to wonder if I&#8217;ve already messed up too much.  I&#8217;m not even sure if my theme is halfway decent.  It&#8217;s a free one that I tweaked myself, but sometimes I feel like it looks outdated compared to most websites.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to find out how to contact them, but I couldn&#039;t find it in CJ.  Do you know where that info is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to find out how to contact them, but I couldn&#8217;t find it in CJ.  Do you know where that info is?</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When an affiliate program denies you, try to find out why. Oftentimes they deny you for a reason that no longer applies or is flat out wrong...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When an affiliate program denies you, try to find out why. Oftentimes they deny you for a reason that no longer applies or is flat out wrong&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Monevator - Thanks for your comments.  That&#039;s good to know.

@Peter - Thanks for the tips.  I&#039;ve been looking at this going forward, and I&#039;ll be a little more focused on content that will be better for Adsense.  I&#039;ve been working on mostly foundational articles since I started the site in June.

I put together a new posting plan that will still allow me to focus on what the Bible says at least once or twice a week, but the other posts will be on broader PF topics.  For example, I&#039;ll be starting a series on how to get out of debt.

I&#039;m also planning to start incorporating some reviews with affiliate links but a lot of the advertisers I applied for on Commission Junction have denied me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Monevator &#8211; Thanks for your comments.  That&#8217;s good to know.</p>
<p>@Peter &#8211; Thanks for the tips.  I&#8217;ve been looking at this going forward, and I&#8217;ll be a little more focused on content that will be better for Adsense.  I&#8217;ve been working on mostly foundational articles since I started the site in June.</p>
<p>I put together a new posting plan that will still allow me to focus on what the Bible says at least once or twice a week, but the other posts will be on broader PF topics.  For example, I&#8217;ll be starting a series on how to get out of debt.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also planning to start incorporating some reviews with affiliate links but a lot of the advertisers I applied for on Commission Junction have denied me.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. Thanks for your comments Fred - your blog is one of my daily reads! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Thanks for your comments Fred &#8211; your blog is one of my daily reads! <img src='http://www.wangarific.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Jim, answered some questions that I had as well about the eCPMs as traffic grows.

Paul - I&#039;m in a similar niche - Christian Personal Finance and my eCPMs are higher than yours, but I think it&#039;s because I focus on writing more search and adsense focused content that I know will do pretty well with adsense.  In my opinion - it&#039;s all about content, what you&#039;re writing about, and what types of posts have the highest paying advertisers and clicks.  Another Christian PF site that does well with adsense - Christianpf.com.  Bob does a lot of great writing as well, and I think his site is a good one to check out if you&#039;re wondering how to optimize your content for some monetary return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Jim, answered some questions that I had as well about the eCPMs as traffic grows.</p>
<p>Paul &#8211; I&#8217;m in a similar niche &#8211; Christian Personal Finance and my eCPMs are higher than yours, but I think it&#8217;s because I focus on writing more search and adsense focused content that I know will do pretty well with adsense.  In my opinion &#8211; it&#8217;s all about content, what you&#8217;re writing about, and what types of posts have the highest paying advertisers and clicks.  Another Christian PF site that does well with adsense &#8211; Christianpf.com.  Bob does a lot of great writing as well, and I think his site is a good one to check out if you&#8217;re wondering how to optimize your content for some monetary return.</p>
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		<title>By: Monevator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, my eCPM increased with traffic. I think perhaps at the start whatever traffic you get is very random, whereas after a while it starts to come on target.

You&#039;d also expect Google to bias sending traffic to pages that generated decent clickthrough payouts, but I expect it would go against it&#039;s sensible mantra of being agnostic about such things (for its long term sustainability) so I doubt it does that.

Personally I wouldn&#039;t say $5 eCPM isn&#039;t bad... I have experimented with some niches with disastrously low payouts, way below that level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, my eCPM increased with traffic. I think perhaps at the start whatever traffic you get is very random, whereas after a while it starts to come on target.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d also expect Google to bias sending traffic to pages that generated decent clickthrough payouts, but I expect it would go against it&#8217;s sensible mantra of being agnostic about such things (for its long term sustainability) so I doubt it does that.</p>
<p>Personally I wouldn&#8217;t say $5 eCPM isn&#8217;t bad&#8230; I have experimented with some niches with disastrously low payouts, way below that level.</p>
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